Re: Wu principles

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Posted by Lee W. on January 01, 1999 at 13:43:25:

In Reply to: Re: Wu principles posted by bruce ching on January 01, 1999 at 10:05:49:

Fu Zhongwen was quite emphatic about the spine being straight and aligned with the pelvis.

The amount of lean varies from person to person but it is still nowhere like the lean in Wu style.

FZW's son has done a nice book on Yang style but a look at his photos vs. his fahter and then looking at YCF, it is plain that he is not in the same league as his father. In his book on Yang style (which is basically a translation of his fahter's book with Fu Shengyuan doing the pictures) there is a photo of FZW doing Roll back. In the form pictures, there is a picture of Fu Shengyuan doing the same move. He does not come close to the structure or the spirit of his father.

When FZW was asked about how to perform the postures in 85 posture Yang style, he would refer to YCF's pictures and say to look like that. FZW strove his whole life to faithfully reproduce YCF's form from what he learned from him directly. Having seen Ycf's complete pictures of the routine, YZD's, and FZW's, I have felt that FZW was closer by far to YCF, even though YZD physically resembles his father. A lot of people will only look at the resemblance instead of the structure.

:
: : The old photos are not a good guide, YCF had too many taken.
: : I realize the YZD is going aroung saying that the perpendicular people
: : have misunderstood his father, that leaning is Ok. YZD leans as part of his
: : extended, large frame form.
: : He is not a good representative of Yang style. Sorry!

: I'm curious about this. Who is a good Yang style representative? And if
: YCF had "too many" pictures taken, why does that mean the pictures are not
: a good guide? Forms from Yang Chengfu's sons, and from his disciple
: Dong Yingjie, all use a forward lean. YCF's disciple Fu Zhongwen used
: a less pronounced lean late in his life, but doesn't FZW's son Fu Shengyuan
: have a very recognizable forward lean in his form? Cheng Man-ch'ing, who
: studied under YCF, used a vertical posture when demonstrating form, but
: had a forward lean when he pushed out his push-hand demo partners.

: - bruce ching

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Re: Wu principles bruce ching 20:11:06 1/01/99 (9)
- Where to start... Lee W. 23:15:01 1/01/99 (8)
  - Re: Where to start... bruce ching 23:33:05 1/05/99 (5)
    - Further clarification Lee W. 13:24:02 1/06/99 (4)
      - Wu style for fat people? Henry 19:14:23 1/06/99 (3)
        
        You misunderstood or maybe I was not clear Lee W. 23:15:30 1/06/99 (2)
        
        Yes, you were not clear Henry 23:54:54 1/06/99 (1)
        
        Well then ---mea culpa.....and Lee W. 12:26:42 1/07/99 (0)
  - Re: Where to start... Louis 14:25:57 1/04/99 (1)
    - WIsh I did Lee W. 14:39:28 1/04/99 (0)

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: Fu Zhongwen was quite emphatic about the spine being straight and aligned with the pelvis. : The amount of lean varies from person to person but it is still nowhere like the lean in Wu style. : FZW's son has done a nice book on Yang style but a look at his photos vs. his fahter and then looking at YCF, it is plain that he is not in the same league as his father. In his book on Yang style (which is basically a translation of his fahter's book with Fu Shengyuan doing the pictures) there is a photo of FZW doing Roll back. In the form pictures, there is a picture of Fu Shengyuan doing the same move. He does not come close to the structure or the spirit of his father. : When FZW was asked about how to perform the postures in 85 posture Yang style, he would refer to YCF's pictures and say to look like that. FZW strove his whole life to faithfully reproduce YCF's form from what he learned from him directly. Having seen Ycf's complete pictures of the routine, YZD's, and FZW's, I have felt that FZW was closer by far to YCF, even though YZD physically resembles his father. A lot of people will only look at the resemblance instead of the structure. : : : : : The old photos are not a good guide, YCF had too many taken. : : : I realize the YZD is going aroung saying that the perpendicular people : : : have misunderstood his father, that leaning is Ok. YZD leans as part of his : : : extended, large frame form. : : : He is not a good representative of Yang style. Sorry! : : I'm curious about this. Who is a good Yang style representative? And if : : YCF had "too many" pictures taken, why does that mean the pictures are not : : a good guide? Forms from Yang Chengfu's sons, and from his disciple : : Dong Yingjie, all use a forward lean. YCF's disciple Fu Zhongwen used : : a less pronounced lean late in his life, but doesn't FZW's son Fu Shengyuan : : have a very recognizable forward lean in his form? Cheng Man-ch'ing, who : : studied under YCF, used a vertical posture when demonstrating form, but : : had a forward lean when he pushed out his push-hand demo partners. : : - bruce ching

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